PTB36: Bible Realities on Physical Israel and Spiritual Israel.


1.  You will find 9-4 repeated here in PTB36 and previously in PTB35.

2.  Paul and God thru Paul make it clear that a Jew is not one outward but inwardly, of the circumcision of the heart.

3.  “All Israel (spiritual Israel) is not of Israel (national Israel)”

4.  There is a list of links at the end of this message to blogs, chapters, and posts of the two websites of SunGrist: for 14 years, .

9-4: Isaiah dolled out the method, Daniel and Zechariah presented details.

While it is the Prophet Isaiah, quoted and explained by Jesus, that told the method of blindness; it is the Prophets Daniel and Zechariah that gave the specific numbers of the “in part” blindness. Yes, it happened during the time of Jeremiah; but Daniel was a contemporary, among the early Babylonia captives out of Jerusalem, and who from Babylon wrote of “what would happen to his own people.”

1. Isaiah foretold of the blindness and the method of stumbling over a rock of offence. What God provided for the salvation of the world, the majority of the Jews, officials and otherwise, just could not take. That God would select a man of low means born in the town of Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth, and a carpenter to boot, to be the new king of the new kingdom; and to provide rescue for all Israel of Jews and Gentiles by a despised method of death, that of on the cross. It was, and still is, just too much for them to take.

     (1). Most of Israel has been blinded by God since the days of Isaiah and Jeremiah and beginning earlier.

“God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, to this very day.” (Romans 11:8, Deuteronomy 29:4, and Isaiah 29:10)

NOTE:  Yes, “to this very day” also; TO THIS VERY DAY…however we see also now the fulness of the Gentiles so something else can happen.

     (2). Most of Israel continues to stumble over the rock of offence which is Jesus of Nazareth and the cross. Jesus had no status, no wealth, no visible kingdom; and they still just can not take that! {How could God be so cruel to them, they thought and still think, to withhold another materialistic and influential in the world kingdom like during the days of David and Solomon!}

“What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.  Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law {today we still have many of Messianic Judaism and are trying to revive “works of the law” for salvation, that Peter and James dealt with as a source that was troubling souls in the Great Jerusalem Circumcision Conference}. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. As it is written:

Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offence, and whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” (Romans 9:30-33 and Isaiah 8:14 and Isaiah 28:16)

       (3). Yet it is more that the Gentiles were allowed to see the salvation of God, more than the Jews were simply denied; and since you might wonder how God did that, it was through the work of the Holy Spirit. God through the Spirit was very selective among the people in the world where He “convicted the world of sin, of righteousness, and judgment.” And still is until the withdrawal of the Holy Spirit from earth {II Thessalonians 2:7}.

“To whom He was not announced {the Gentiles and Jesus}, and those who have not heard shall understand.” (Romans 15:21 and Isaiah 52:15)

2.         Zechariah predicted that after Christ only one third of the Jews would be allowed to believe, part of the “in part”; that two thirds of the Jews exactly would continue to remain blind, and even the one-third–so strong was the rejection of the nation during the days of Jeremiah, that this one-third, you know centered around the Apostles and those others of the first and second century persecuted for faith in Jesus, the one-third would only believe with persecution. {You see Gods people blew it during the days of Jeremiah; finalizing in the forsaking of God and the building of alternative cisterns of salvation as a substitute of the God that had blessed them for so many years since Egypt, yet this was only the culmination of years of forsaking and alternatives.}

They just plain lost any entitlement as a nation to be called the people of God as they no longer had that relationship with the Great Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. You see you must discriminate in your thinking as God finally did after a thousand years of trying to work with the nation of Israel. You can not think of the whole nation then–in the time of Jeremiah, in the wilderness, in the time of Jesus, and now–like you think of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus, the Apostles, and many others of our selected forefathers in the faith. Some of these new movements like Messianic Judaism are sentimental but misleading: nothing any better than what you see right now in Palestine is going to happened to the Jews, except on the New Earth as the New Jerusalem is lowered down from heaven and under the leadership of the dwelling on earth God and Lord Jesus Christ, the Jewish Apostles are going from the New Jerusalem to govern the surrounding kingdoms of the Gentiles. {Of course, these are only Gentiles that have become part through the generations of history of the new kingdom through the new birth!}

3.         While it is Daniel that spells out most of the details of Jewish rejection, including the “day of abomination” when Jerusalem, like in Jeremiah, was again destroyed, and the Temple; it is the Prophet Zechariah that gives us the percentages, 2/3 of the nation die, 1/3 are redeemed but only with persecution.

9-5: This Future Preference for Gentiles was Announced in Jeremiah.

Yet is it most clearly stated in Hosea:

“I will call them My people, who were not My people, and her beloved, who was not beloved. And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,” there they shall be called sons of the living God.’” (Hosea 2:23 and Romans 9:25,26)

9-6: Only worse for Israel until the old earth ending attack on Jerusalem.

As stated earlier, Israel is already surrounded by her enemies that demand her destruction, and there is absolutely no reason to think, from current history or the Bible, that it is going to get anything but worse. We know that it is a gigantic army that will come against Jerusalem and the “camp of the saints” {no doubt a camp outside Jerusalem of the United States and allies}, the core of which already exists in all the radical Muslims that wish to destroy Israel, and which must for some yet undisclosed reason {perhaps oil, or the UN trying to prevent them from starting World War III}, must be joined with such superpowers as China, Iran, and Russia.

NOTE: If they continue to make the whole world mad except the United States, the army could be joined by almost any large and powerful nations in the world. One reason could be that the United Nations desires to stop Israel from precipitating the third world war, say with an attack on Iran because of nuclear weapons.

But do not be deceived, according to the record of Revelation {Revelation 20:7}, it is not a war of the world against Israel and the U.S. that will destroy the old earth with nuclear weapons {they will not help any}, but the Bible is clear that “God will rain down fire from heaven.”

“Now when the thousand years {not one thousand years and not a millennium, but an extremely long time: goodness, it has already been over two thousand years since the coming the Holy Spirit bound Satan} have expired, Satan will be released {Satan bound with the coming of the Holy Spirit on the first day of Pentecost after the Resurrection and released as the Holy Spirit is withdrawn from earth, according to II Thessalonians 2:7} from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations {well under way right now with many “men of sin” who want to destroy Israel and stand in a temple like God} which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, who number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints {obviously a population of Christians like in the U.S. but camped outside Jerusalem} and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.” (Revelation 20:7-9)

NOTE: You might notice that the great innumerable army of the world first surrounds and attacks the army camp of the saints, then Jerusalem.

9-7: Jeremiah, Daniel, and Zechariah work together to Predict Jewish history.

1.         Daniel reads in Jeremiah of the 70 years of absolute desolation for Jerusalem.

“In the first year of his reign {reign of Darius the Persian over Babylon} I, Daniel, understood by the books {books of the Old Testament} the number of the years specified by the word of the LORD through Jeremiah the prophet, that He would accomplish seventy years in the desolation of Jerusalem.” (Daniel 9:1-9)

2.         Daniel makes intercessory prayer with confession of sins for the nation.

Daniel in prayer and confession reviewed the history of the children of Israel before the destruction of Jerusalem in Jeremiah, admitting for the nation the transgression of Gods laws, the departure from God not to obey His voice (Daniel 9:11), “therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.” {We have in this prayer and confession one of the best summaries of the history of the Jewish people up to the destruction of Jerusalem from God through the Babylonians.}

3.         Yet beyond the 70 years, it will take 70 more weeks (Daniel 9:24) for Daniel’s people and holy city {Jerusalem} to make complete reconciliation for the iniquity.

    (1). From the decree for Restoration until the Messiah, the period of time shall be 69 weeks, divided into two periods of 62 weeks and 7 weeks; then the wall of Jerusalem shall be re-built in troublesome times. {Daniel 9:25}

     (2). During the 7 weeks period: Messiah shall be cut off, but not because of Himself or for His own sins {obviously the Crucifixion}. (Daniel 9:26a)

     (3) Rome under General Titus, the Roman Emperor to come, destroy the city and the Temple. (Daniel 9:26b)

NOTE: See how even the rebuilding of the Temple during the Restoration was only temporal. Again Gods people sinned even worse that before the first destruction of Jerusalem, this time killing Gods own Son. {Like Jesus predicted in the parable of the vineyard and the owner.}

     (4). One year after the crucifixion of Christ {weeks are for years}, the covenant of the New Testament is confirmed with many, primarily Jews; and we know from New Testament records that approximately 100,000 Jews were saved during this one year {or week} after the crucifixion of Christ, many on the first day of Pentecost after the Ascension. (Daniel 9:27a)

     (5). During the middle of that one week, God brings an end to “sacrifice and worship”, in other words Temple worship. (Daniel 9:27)

     (6). There comes a war and a flood of abominations on Israel and on the saved Jews. On the wings of all these destructive abominations, Satan and men of sin commence more warfare and floods. (Daniel 9:27)

     (7). The consummation on the desolate {Gods people of Israel} is much longer than this, and determined by God, no doubt until the end of the world as Christ comes again. Like in Gods children are “no more” in Jeremiah, in Bethlehem, and at the end of time, the reconciliation continues to be paid by Israel to God. (Daniel 9:27b)

     (8). We, nor the Jews, can escape the terrible judgments of subsequent history after the destruction of Jerusalem and to the end of time, and eternally, of the words: “Even unto the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate.” (Daniel 9:27c)

NOTE: You might even say that the “desolate”, the nation of Israel, determined in the judgment of God to be desolation in Jeremiah, about the same time as the Temple and city destruction, will receive a long history of continuing consummation as God has determined; and an eternal desolation, of course except for those select few like the 100,000 plus some later who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

4. Zechariah confirms this future history of hard times on the Jews.

“Strike the Shepherd {the Crucifixion of the Messiah}, and the sheep will be scattered. {obviously like in Daniel, there are two categories of Gods people, the sheep}; then I will turn My hand against the little ones {more of “no more” children}. ‘And it shall come to pass in all the land,’ says the LORD, ‘That two-thirds in it shall be cut off {cut off from God, and die twice, once physically and once eternally} and die, but one-third shall be left in it: I will bring the one-third through the fire, will refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is test {persecutions of the first two centuries and beyond}. They will call on My name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘This is My people’; and each one will say, ‘The LORD is my God.’” (Zechariah 13:7-9)The ASPI Bible Version.


1.  NOTE:  The Following is a Preview of Coming Attractions for Top Topic 10-12

Authorized Semi-Public Interpretation Version (ASPI, II Peter 1:20,21)

About the ASPI  (II Peter 1:21)

It is the Authorized Version from God. since there is no “private interpretation of Scripture”, this demands only one authorized Interpretation.

God is the Source of the ASPI version.

“holy men of God spoke {and wrote) as they were  moved by the Holy Spirit”

The Bible, according to Jesus, is “every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God”

2.  Just some of the Bible research on SunGrist websites.

(1).   Israel A Branch of God’s People Broken Off at .

(2).   Israel Complete only on the New Earth at .

(3).   “…ALL Israel will be saved…”  (Romans 11:26) at .

(4).  Israel and Last Things  (eschatology)  at .

(5).  Perspective on Jesus and Israel at .

(6).   Israel A Branch of God’s People Broken Off at

(7).  Armageddon, The END earth destruction attack on Israel at

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