Unknown Tongues lead to Unknown loyalty and an Unknown god, OR How to Find Your way back to the Tomb of the Unknown God. (Acts 17:23)

“For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.” (Acts 17:23)

God’s message is clear in I Corinthians 14: do not practice unknown tongues in public worship, save them for private devotionals. What happens when preachers and pastors do not obey? Chapter 14 tells us that also (1) they develop an unknown ignorance to (2) an unknown spirit as they give up control of their own spirit of the prophets and thereby pledge publicly an (3) unknown allegiance and (4) unkown loyalty; and (5) receive a new unknown immersion in their life with (6) an unknown worship and Christian influence; and (7) who begin to talk like an unknown barbarian, and play (8) unknown sounds from trumpets. All these unknowns lead to an unknown amount of “confusion” in the church body, and confusion in Christianity with “the faith once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3).
As such pastors get further and further immersed in this unknown to the Bible baptism or immersion by persisting in unknown tongues denied by God, their lives and minsiteries begin to change subtle to become unknow to the “faith once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3) and become unkown to the Word of God. That is called by Paul in II Timothy 4:3,4 “they will not endure sound doctrine” and of course fifth in this process of falling away is Christian fables. Does it not make sense that unknown tongues can lead to unknown ignorance, unkown doctrines, and new misleading unknown Christian fables.
Noone anywhere can successfully tamper with something as important as the public worship of God with destruction of their own faith and religion and a bad influence on others. We server a known God that prefers known tongues with known and identified faith and rightness.
Even as “we battle not against flesh and blood but against principaties and powers and spiritual wickedness (Satan) in high places”, as we continuously allow and lead in unknown tongues and an unknown spirit loyalty, over a period of years Satan has control over the unknown spirit that has given up the self-control of the spirit of the prophets {those who preach}.
You might consider this process of fables the equivalent of Jesus’ temptation by Satan in the wilderness, only with opposite unknown results. Every faithul minister, just like Jesus, is hit as his ministry becomes fruitful with Satan’s 3 attempts to divert and deceive: (1) bow down and worship me Satan says, and I will give you all kingdoms of the world you see {you can see it and claim it}; (2) change these stones into bread, encouraging a loyalty in life of things over words that proceed out of the mouth of God, bread over the words and Word of God {just declare it and it will happen}; and (3) serve me rather than serve God, Satan says {think it and you have it}; and we come naturally to the BIG LIE of idolatry.
This in short if what happened, we think, to John Osteen, Joel Osteen, and the Swaggerts {only the best examples of the worst as identified with the standard for bad and destructive pastors and prophets in Jeremiah 23}; but only God knows and can judge. It only that we are doing our best to explain the obvious departures in Christian fables from the faith once for all delivered to the saints (Jude 3).
You can tell when this begins to happen in the ministry of popular preachers of prosperity with large and growing churches in numbers {“you can fill a church with empty people”}, as their church and leadershp takes on a haughty nature and attitude that either (1) the Word of God came to us only, or (2) the Word of God originated out of our church and ministry. Which also explains how they can go all over America and the World holding out their message and methods as THE example of leadership for the world.

“THE LIE” of Idolatry (Romans 1:25)

NOTE:  Even as the “backsliding”, a word unique to Jeremiah, is the equivalent for Israel of the great apostasy called the Falling Away (II Thessalonians) for Christians, so the very source of the Christian fables of II Timothy 4:3,4 is the same as the backsliding of Israel, THE LIE of idolatry.  The lie and idolatry are the same, THE LIE of which Romans 1:25 speaks is to doubt and deny God and God’s Word, and idolatry plain and simple is to allow any loyalty in life to be paramount to God and precisely what He says in His Word the Bible.        

“THE LIE” (Romans 1:25)
What God’s people of Jerusalem and Judah were thinking–the men, women, children, princes of government, official prophets and priests–finally becomes evident to us after months of tedious study on the book of Jeremiah and related books of prophecy: their minds were filled with idolatrous thoughts that motivated everything they did, God and Jeremiah in the Temple Message called it their “ways and doings”, in the years before the destruction and desolation of Judah and Jerusalem. Only publicly did the women and their supporters admit this idolatry as a remnant fled from Mizpah, seat of the flimsy government under Governor Gedaliah, to Egypt; only after the captains with the remnant and other remnant leaders had asked Jeremiah to ask of God a blessing on their escape to Egypt; only after the answer from God came back 10 days later that they must remain in Mispah, and to go to Egypt with be the complete destruction of every remaining resident of Judah.
5-1: The LIE of other gods was alive and well in Jerusalem and Egypt before total destruction and desolation.
1. We see this in the public confession, or profession of idolatry, of the Jewish women down in Egypt.
Granted we read from God and Jeremiah in the Temple Message of Jeremiah 7, the observation by both of the idol worship of the Queen of Heaven in the streets of Jerusalem and other cities of Judah, and how it was family worship: “Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger.” (Jeremiah 7:17,18) {By the way we have also learned in our Bible Studies of Jeremiah and Prophesy that the made and passed out cakes upon which were images of the Queen of Heaven, worshiped these images, and influenced others to do the same.} All this was known way back at the beginning of our Jeremiah studies as we looked at chapter 7, the Temple Message, of Jeremiah; but only as we have come to chapter 44 do these same women, their husbands, and other supporters of the Jews down in Egypt publicly confess this commitment to idolatry.
“Then {after in 44:1-14 Jeremiah delivers the answer of God to escape in Egypt} all the men who knew that their wives had burned incense to other gods, with all the women who stood by, a great multitude, and all the people who dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros {southern Egypt}, answered Jeremiah, saying: ‘As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the LORD, we will not listen to you! But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth {the vows they made to the Queen of Heaven}, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done {a confession of continued idolatry in Judah and Jerusalem}, we and our fathers {a public confession that it was part of their heritage of many years}, our kings and princes {a public confession that the public and government leaders practiced idolatry and encouraged the people to do the same}, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem {this idol worship had been done openly although there had not previously been the public commitment and confession to such idolatry}. For then we had plenty of food, were well off, and saw no trouble.
NOTE: As we come to look at THE LIE of idolatry from Romans 1, we will discuss also the rationalizations, delusions, and lies that go with it. There is little doubt that they are speaking of a period in their history, no doubt under the wicked King Manasseh for 50 years when there was also prosperity and peace; but to subscribe that to the blessings of a dumb idol, a false god or goddess, that was only imagined and not real in the first place is a testament of what happens, according to Romans 1:25 when truth about, and truths about the Great God of the Universe is traded for A LIE THAT OTHER gods EXIST.
2. 70 influential men of Judah were seen by Ezekiel secretly worshipping THE LIE of idols in a dark basement of the Jerusalem Temple (Ezekiel 8:1-18), one of them, Jaazaniah, was the son of a leader, Shaphan, in the previous reformation and temple cleansing under King Josiah.
“And He said to me {God took Ezekiel to the dark basement of the Jerusalem Temple to see what perhaps Jeremiah never saw}, ‘Go in, and see the wicked abominations which they are doing there. So I went in and saw, and there–every sort of creeping thing, abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, portrayed all around on the walls. And there stood before them seventy men of the elders of the house of Israel, and in their midst stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan. Each man had a censer in his hand, and a thick cloud of incense went up. Then He said to me, ‘Son of man, have you see what the elders of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the room of his idols? FOR THEY SAY, ‘THE LORD DOES NOT SEE US, THE LORD HAS FORSAKEN THE LAND.” (Ezekiel 8:10-12)
3. That “forsaken” rings a bell: this study of the LIE of idols versus the real truth of the Living God of the living water can be done at several levels, and no doubt will, at the top level, as in Romans 1, of the Truth and Truths of the Living God versus the LIE of idols and idolatry; or it can be done down in the dirt of the history in Jeremiah where while God said “the people have committed two evils: they have forsaken Me the fountain of living waters, and hewn out cisterns, broken cisterns, for themselves that will hold no water” versus what the people were really thinking, or what they claimed to think in public Temple worship and versus what they thought in the darkness of the temple in the dark: (1) that God had deserted His own people and the land, did not see what they were doing or what was going on politically, economically, and religiously {the kind of idol worship lie that many Americans practice today}, and that God just plain had forsaken His own people and the land of Judah and Jerusalem.
5-2: What Judah had in common with the whole world: THE LIE of Romans 1:25.
The Philosophical and High Level of “the truth of God versus THE LIE” of Romans chapter 1 places the guilt of “idolatry” on the whole world of civilizations, peoples, and nations where it should be instead of just on the people of God of Judah and Jerusalem before the destruction in 587 B.C.
1. While some liberals may object to applying the fuller New Testament truth of the book of Romans to an explanation of what the people of God were thinking in 587 B.C, and before in their nations history, and after down in Egypt, that is what the “progressive revelation of the Bible” is all about. In most cases, we learn the fuller truth and truths in the New Testament as compared to the Old Testament. Except in this case, there is much learning for God’s people today on God’s people of Jeremiah, what they were thinking and what they did, that in turn sheds light on exactly what demolishes the thinking of men, women, and children when they go through the process with the society around them of turning it original truth and knowledge of God for the lies of idols. {Idols are a LIE; because they are not real; there is in reality no other God period than the Father of the LORD Jesus Christ, the Creator of the Universe, and the LORD God of Israel of the Bible. In the closing chapters of the book, idols will be presented as dynamic symbols that represent something important in the life of the idolater but are not real gods that can think, act, and bless.}
NOTE: You will find that they same high level of “tolerance” that led the children of Israel into idolatry is that level we see in America today as Americans tolerate loose convictions and beliefs on God and gods. One woman leader of those killed in 911 said recently of the death of Osama Bin Laden, “now it is a matter of accountability between him and his god.” You see this is a tacit and subtle, very tolerant admission that there is another God beside the Creator of the Universe. How quickly we as Americans, even church members and the new generation of God’s people, allow the extremes of toleration lead us into the most hateful sin there is to God, IDOLATRY!
2. After these past studies in the book of Jeremiah where the major sin of the people of God was idols and idolatry, we have more appreciation now for a study of Romans 1; and we tend to apply it, as it should be to any case of idolatry, to God’s people of Judah and Jerusalem, as we do to heathen nations. Yes, I know liberals and others ignorant on the Word of God in Romans, on Bible history, and world history tend to think falsely that: (1) all civilizations started off with idol worship then evolved to a higher concept of god as did the nation of Israel; (2) that social evolution, somewhat like theistic and physical evolution, in a civilization like in America is measured as society gets better and better. Well, like with so many other truths in Romans and the Word of God where they “professing to be wise, they become fools”, the opposite of the history of civilization and the world is true: According to the Word of God in Romans, all peoples started off with a knowledge of God from conscience, from the works of Creation, and etc; and although at one time they knew God as God, they did not glorify God and give Him the honor, God gave them up to a reprobate mind and many other evils. So the history of civilization from the God that made us is that man has continuously de-evolved with a few minor perturbations of getting better.
3. What happened to past civilizations, even to the children of Israel as a nation, is that first “they knew God” (Romans 1:21) but “they did not glorify Him as God”, and “they were not thankful to God”; so, what happened to these peoples and civilizations like happened to Judah and Jerusalem: (1) “they became futile in their thoughts”; (2) “their foolish hearts were darkened”; and (3) claiming to be professors and possessors of unique wisdom, they degenerated into “fools”.
4. The PROCESS of the LIE of idolatry: (1) while God is holy and incorruptible, man with his great imagination and professed wisdom creates images of God of 4 types; (2) the images or idols are of (a) “corruptible man” {it is always easier to bring our god down to our level of humanity and manhood than to come up to His level as seen in the Lord Jesus Christ}, (b) birds, (c) four-footed animals, and (d) creeping things.
NOTE: You noted as the 70 influential elders of Judah sat in their little cubicles in the darkness of the basement, each had his own favorite idol to represent the 70 idols worshiped in Israel and Judah! These were “every sort of creeping thing, abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel” (Ezekiel 9:10)
5. The point of God’s Word to Ezekiel in chapter 8, about all the worship of idols–the 70 elders of all the idols of Israel, the idol of Asherah at the entrance to the gate, the women of Judah weeping at the door of the north gate for Tammuz, and there in the inner court the 25 priests worshiping the sun–is not with any sexual connotations, although, of course, we know that the Queen of Heaven and Asherah were fertility goddess; no, there is nothing of sex and sexual deviations in Ezekiel 8; but God points out over and over how “do you see these abominations”, and greater abominations than this. We must come to the conclusion that the greater by far abomination of God, even than the mistreatment of the people in the land, is IDOLATRY.
NOTE: We may never come to appreciate the harrow of God, of Jeremiah, of Ezekiel and the elders of Judah in the foreign land of this just plain, and awesome to God, sin of idolatry! It is difficult for us. For most of us know that there is only ONE God; we know that this idols and creeping things can not bless and mean nothing when they are foolishly worshiped.
5-3: Idol Worship Is A supreme Abomination to God!
There are reasons that the first two of the Ten Commandments have to do with Respect and worship of God without false mental images or idols, and the third and fourth also relate to respect for God, for His name and for one day of the week set aside for thinking about Him. True, even as in the 10 commandments, the last six deal with mistreatment of the people in the land, and so the abominations of God’s people of Judah included this same mistreatment of the people in the land.
“Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know, and then come and stand before Me in this house which is called by My name, sand say, ‘We are delivered to do all these abominations.” (Jeremiah 7:9,10)
And even as today when people have adopted false gods that are not really gods at all, you can detect easily the falsehood in terms of the immorality, like murder and adultery, that goes with it! Bottom line since the only other supernatural beings are Satan and his fellow devils, any worship or service to a god turns out to be Satanic worship, even if in the milder forms. Of course, the bottom line of God’s message of Jeremiah is that there are no mild forms of devil and idol worship, to the God of this Universe Who knows He is the only God, and tells us so in the Book He wrote, and told the nation of Israel and Judah, rising early and staying up late, sending many prophets for hundreds of years to keep the people straight on idolatry. And at the highest level of God’s summary of what was wrong with His people of Jeremiah was that they had committed 2 broad and all encompassing EVILS; (1) they had forsaken the only Living God, and (2) they had made broken cisterns, among those ways of salvation many idols, that could hold no living water.
5-4: Idol Worship in Jerusalem’s Temple Basement.
We have generally learned from the Bible to respect God’s people of Judah and Israel, but we lose a lot of that respect as we read about the foolishness of the idol worship in the dark basement of the Temple, and as we read of men, women, and children engaged all over Judah and Jerusalem in the worship and service of the Queen of Heaven. And we must see from Romans 1 if no where else what such a substitution for truth does to the human mind: the women in Egypt had lost it mentally in thinking that they were better off when they worshipped the Queen instead of Yahweh, much less the fact that even as today except among the false popular preachers of prosperity, you do not make “well-off” and other material things you sole justification for worship and service; and the 70 elders, to think that the omnipotent and omniscient God of the Universe could not see what they were doing was foolhardy and an indication of mental lack of health.
For more on this subject please go to the following web pages of SunGrist_Bible at http:\\biblecombibleman.com .
1. Danger In This Life of Unbelief.
2. Follies to Fables.
3. Leaky Barriers to Strong Delusion.
NOTE: As preliminary indications are now from this thorough and spirit led look at “Bible Studies in Jeremiah and Prophesy”, that it is extreme toleration for other gods which caused the destruction and desolation of Israel and Judah; and how scary since we know that extreme toleration is now the standard for the American Democratic Faith.
5-5: Bible Studies in Jeremiah and Prophesy plus Advanced Studies in Jeremiah and Prophesy.
By the way, are you caught up on Bible Studies in Jeremiah and Prophesy as it is now plunging into outstanding conclusions where that background is both helpful and needed. This chapter and the ones to follow are deep into the intensity of Jeremiah and Prophesy that has been part of the free online Bible Studies on http://www.biblecombibleman.com {the first official website of SunGrist} for the past almost 3 years. Along the line of the study of this volume, you may want to make reference to these web pages. It would work quite well to do it simultaneously.

Final NOTE:  “The twin lies of human divinity and immortality have been Satan’s foundation for his counterfeit religion throughout the ages. He has been using these lies to hide from us the importance of seeking salvation in Christ.

If we are immortal, we do not need Christ to help us regain the immortality we have not lost. If we are divine, we become His equal and are capable of saving ourselves. With this masterpiece of Satan, the plan of salvation becomes futile.”

{From  The Twin Lies of Eden, http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_New-Age_Satan_lies_Eden

Author: Professor Walter J. Veith, PhD

Publish date: Dec 14, 2009
Summary: New Age doctrine is anything but new. In fact, Satan has been tricking humanity with the same basic lies since history began.
This article is part of a series. We recommend that you first read: The New Age Movement.}

Idolatry and the Moral Majority in Jeremiah and America Part 2

Moral Majority  in America, do you (“…abhor idols, do you rob temples?”) NOTE:  Robbing temples in Romans is the equivalent of den of thieves of Jeremiah 7:11 and Jesus when He quoted it and drove the money changers out of the Temple.  Have you considered that any church that makes money is also a NATIONAL DEN… Continue reading Idolatry and the Moral Majority in Jeremiah and America Part 2

Idolatry and the Moral Majority in Jeremiah and America Part 1

NOTE:  While the Bad and Destructive Pastors and Prophets of Jeremiah 23 and of America today can “Make you vain” in that you allow them to create idols that substitute for God, Christ, and the real Gospel, accountability in the final analysis for the Christian fables and Falling Away has to fall on the people… Continue reading Idolatry and the Moral Majority in Jeremiah and America Part 1

“Make You Vain” of Jeremiah 23:16 is to Create an Idol in Your Life.

DANGEROUS Pastors and Prophets today like in Jeremiah 23:16 “MAKE YOU VAIN”. I. From Pastors and Prophets of Lightness, vanity, dreams, ignore burdens, and give visions of their own hearts of Jeremiah 23. https://sungrist.net/2017/03/02/pastors-and-prophets-of-lightness-vanity-dreams-ignore-burdens-and-give-visions-of-their-own-hearts-of-jeremiah-23/ 6. Pastors and Prophets that teach the people to walk in vanity of Jeremiah 23. And the above vain and light… Continue reading “Make You Vain” of Jeremiah 23:16 is to Create an Idol in Your Life.

Pastors and Prophets of Lightness, vanity, dreams, ignore burdens, and give visions of their own hearts of Jeremiah 23.


INTRO: The Dangerous, Bad Pastors and Prophets of Jeremiah 23.
“Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.” (Jeremiah 23:1,2)

(1). How do you tell the bad pastors and prophets in America today. It was easy in the time of Jeremiah, for all the prophets, priests, and pastors were judged as unworthy and worthless by God Himself. It can hardly be said that all the pastors and prophets in America today are as bad and misguided as in the days of Jeremiah, it is only to say that those bad things can happen in American and are given to us for examples, so that we need to test the spirits by seeking out any pastors and prophets today that match up in characteristics with those of Jeremiah. Take for example the most popular, prosperous, and sought after Pastor of our time, Joel Osteen, how do you tell if he falls into the category of the dangerous and bad pastors of Israel before the destruction of Jerusalem. He is a good example because his church is one of the biggest and fastest growing churches in the nation, and other pastors seek his help for church growth. In short, is Joel in the bad category of pastors in Jeremiah?

(2). God in His word as He does always has given us the sign of a dangerous Pastor, in that they do not visit the people. Early in the ministry of Joel at Lakewood, he made the statement to his people and in public not to expect visitation because with the demands of speaking to large crowds, there was not time.

“Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them…” (Jeremiah 3:1,2)

NOTE: The no visitation is obvious in the own words of Joel, but right now without all of Jeremiah 23 it is difficult to see how he scattered the flock since Lakewood is growing by leaps and bounds, and each Sunday instead of being driven away by the messages, they are coming back for more. Later we will show how Osteen, like the pastors and prophets in Jeremiah: (1) scatters the flock away from God and Christ; and (2) drives them away from God and Christ.
For now, don’t get it wrong, the pastors and prophets of Jeremiah were popular with the people, they listened to them and their comforting words, and indeed Jeremiah was the only Prophet they tried to kill.

1. Pastors and Prophets of “Lightness” in Jeremiah 23.
“Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.” (Jeremiah 23:32)

(1). Ellicott’s commentary on “lightness”–

By their lightness.—The Hebrew word is the same in meaning as the “unstable as water” of Genesis 49:4, the “light persons” of Judges 9:4; Zephaniah 3:4, and points primarily to the gushing or spurting forth of water. Here it points to what we may call the “babbling” of the false prophets. We are almost reminded of the words in which an English poet describes a hollow and pretentious eloquence as poured out—
In one weak, washy, everlasting flood.”

(2) The Pulpit Commentary on ‘lightness”–

By their lightness. The word is an uncommon one, and implies arrogance or boastfulness (comp. Zephaniah 3:4); the root means “to bubble over.” Therefore they shall not profit; rather, and they cannot profit.

(3). Barnes Notes–

Lightness – Vain, empty, talk’

(4) Matthew Poole’s Commentary–

By lightness here some understand volubility and smoothness of tongue and speech; others, lasciviousness; others, levity and inconstancy: the last seemeth most probably the sense.

(5). Cambridge Bible–

32. vain boasting] The Hebrew root, which is rather rare, denotes in the cognate languages impudent boldness.

2. Pastors and Prophets that “do not visit” in Jeremiah 23. This introduced the subject of bad pastors and prophets, the very subject of Jeremiah 23–
“Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.” (Jeremiah 23:1,2)

NOTE: Lest these words seem intolerant and undemocratic to you, not nice in keeping with the Gospel of Niceness, just remember that these are necessary words from God Himself on how to identify bad and dangerous pastors and prophets. In short as the admonition of the Bible is from Jesus, we can not judge righteouness judgement, rather than appearance judgment, unless we use the very words and standards of the Bible. What was true in Jeremiah can be true of Osteen and others today, you judge for yourselves!

3. Pastors and Prophets that speak dreams rather than the Word of God in Jeremiah 23.
Nowhere in the Bible does God promise you, “wait two years and there will be an oil well or a gold mine in your backyard” as we hear Joel say and similar dreams and false promises of false comfort. What does God Himself say about this in Jeremiah?
“Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.” (Jeremiah 23:32)

4. Pastors and Prophets that preach only peace when there is no peace. Temporarily we must step outside of Jeremiah 23, to get some background of what was happening in Judah during Jeremiah’s time, say in Jeremiah 6 near the beginning.
“For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.” (Jeremiah 6:13,14)

Even as the Christian fables of the falling away is a grassroots movement among the people of Israel, false prophets of today and in Jeremiah were created out of the wants and desires of the people. Notice in II Timothy 4:3,4 how that the itching ears teachers come from itching ears congregations and “out of their own desires” they heap up itching ears teachers.

NOTE: Granted today America is not threatened by God with imminent destruction as with Israel in the time of Jeremiah; however peace in this nation and in the world is not something that we can reasonable expect. What we can expect is the imminent Second Coming of Christ with the destruction of the whole world by fire. And any prophet, priest, or pastor that omits those Bible facts from his messages is a dreamer.

5. Pastors and Prophets that only comfort the people slightly. Once again we step outside of Jeremiah 23 to get the total context of Jeremiah and in the words of God Himself–
“They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.”
(Jeremiah 6:14)

(1). Sure every preacher, pastor, evangelist, and prophet provides some kind of comfort to the people, he would not be there if it were not so. Yet as compared to the admonished “preach the word” it often falls short of real comfort, it is only “slightly”. Only the complete intended message and messages from God Himself can provide comfort that is real, comfort that is complete.

(2). A good example from the many quotes from Osteen on facebook is the following:

Joel Osteen Quotes
April 17, 2016 ·
God has already done everything He’s going to do. The ball is now in your court. If you want success, if you want wisdom, if you want to be prosperous and healthy, you’re going to have to do more than meditate and believe; you must boldly declare words of faith and victory over yourself and your family.

It bears the incompleteness characteristic, a certain lightness and vanity, like all his Satan inspired and subtle quotes. (1) First of all God has not done everything He can do for you and will do for you; (2) it is not up to you, a superficial counting of self and not on Christ and the power of the Spirit within you if you have indeed been born again; (2) Oh there it is again, the Gospel of wealth and corrolary of success carrot, the appeal to the wants and desires of listners, and of course the wisdom you want, which is assumed is to be prosperous and healthy which is simply the Gospel again of Prosperity; (3) and the solution of salvation from Joel is to “boldly declare words of faith and victory over yourself and your family”–well in the first place what does that even mean some chant with holy water, and of course as always his advice turns into self help rather than depending on help from God.

6. Pastors and Prophets that teach the people to walk in vanity of Jeremiah 23. And the above vain and light quote, sort of like a false dream or vision that comes with chanting, brings us naturally to see what the teaching of vanity in the Bible and like in Joel means.
(1). The “walk in vanity” of Jeremiah 23:16.
“Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.”

a. First of all you will note that Joel seldom quotes as other preachers do from the Bible, does not justify his unfounded visions and dreams on the proof of the scripture; and in fact most preachers sadly miss any of the language and thoughts of the Bible. We naturally wonder what is the source of these bold statements except in dreams and statements. Every preacher has a library, it would be interesting to see what is the library of Joel and what are the major books which he notes, say for example Alice in Wonderland or How to win friends and influence people. How does he known so well what people want, or how to tell them what the people want to hear? If we knew the books Joel reads and on which he does research, we could know the secret of his success except for the fact that Satan is backing him. It certainly is not the Bible, and the Bible gets only some lip service like for example from Satan when he was tempting Jesus.
(2). And for more background on “vain” and “vanity” we must go back to Jeremiah 2.
“Thus saith the LORD, What iniquity have your fathers found in me, that they are gone far from me, and have walked after vanity, and are become vain?” (Jeremiah 2:5)

(3). What does the phrase “make you vain” of Jeremiah 23:16; and furthermore since we are free Americans how could anybody MAKE us vain, or how did the bad and destructive pastors and prophets of Jeremiah make the people vain. We turn to some good commentaries again–
NOTE: Already we suspect that: (1) Osteens advice is superficial and makes one live in vanity with focus on themselves rather than Christ; and (2) it would have to be already what they want or desire, or they coud not yield themselves to the make over; or (3) most likely it is already the world way they live and think, just liking reinforcement from somebody famous. Sort of like real Christians appreciate encourgement from their respected conservative and Christian authors and authorities. After all, how could anyone be full of wind and bull that has grown one of the largest churche in the world, that writes best-selling books, and preaches to millions.
a. Make you vain from Ellicott’s commentary–
(16) They make you vain.—i.e., they befool, deceive you. As the next verse shows, they filled the people with vain hopes of peace. This was then, as always, the crucial test between the true prophet and the false. The one roused the conscience, caused pain and anger by his reproofs; the other soothed and quieted men with a false assurance (Jeremiah 6:14; Jeremiah 14:13). They invented a vision which did not come to them from the mouth of Jehovah. (Comp. Deuteronomy 13:1-5.)
b. Make you vain from the Cambridge Bible–
16. teach you vanity] deceive you with vain hopes, speak peace to those who are going on still in wicked courses. Cp. next v. This is a test whereby the false may be distinguished from the true prophet.
c. And lastly from the Pulpit Commentary–
Verses 16-22. – A warning addressed to the people against the false prophecies (comp. Ezekiel 13.). Verse 16. – They make you vain; i.e. fill you with vain imaginations. A similar phrase occurs in Jeremiah 2:5, on which see note. A vision of their own heart; the heart being the center of the intellectual as well as of the moral life, according to the Hebrew conception.
(4). “walked after vanity and are become vain” in Jeremiah 2:5.
“Thus saith the LORD, What iniquity have your fathers found in me, that they are gone far from me, and have walked after vanity, and are become vain?” (Jeremiah 2:5)

a. From the Cambride Bible–

“…and are become vain] have their characters assimilated to the objects which they serve. Cp. Romans 1:21 f., they “became vain in their reasonings … they became fools.”

b. From Ellicott’s–

(5) Vanity.—In the special sense, as a synonym for idol-worship (Deuteronomy 32:21; 1Kings 16:13). As in the character of a husband wronged by his wife’s desertion Jehovah pleads with His people, and asks whether He has failed in anything.

c. In the bigger context of Matthew Henry–

2:1-8 Those who begin well, but do not persevere, will justly be upbraided with their hopeful and promising beginnings. Those who desert religion, commonly oppose it more than those who never knew it. For this they could have no excuse. God’s spiritual Israel must own their obligations to him for safe conduct through the wilderness of this world, so dangerous to the soul. Alas, that many, who once appeared devoted to the Lord, so live that their professions aggravate their crimes! Let us be careful that we do not lose in zeal and fervency, as we gain knowledge.

NOTE: If we could only know how many church members we suspect in Lakewood of which that is true as we have known some in Houston. By their fruits you shall know them, and if only we could see some fruits of Lakewood besides size, as Dobbins wrote “You can fill a church with empty people.”

7. Pastors and Prophets that ignore the burdens of God and the Word in Jeremiah 23.
This matter of burden of the Lord, burden of the Lord which most of the pastors and prophets were using to scoff in derision at Jeremiah is a little more complicated: God’s message to Jeremiah in exact words to give at the Temple every day, that of Jeremiah 7, was definitely a message of doom and God had forsaken Israel, would no longer listen to their prayers, and had set up for the nation of Babylon and Persia to conquer them, destroying Jerusalem. It was not a pleasant thing to hear, so when “burden of the LORD” was heard in Israel it was scoffing at realism, pessimism, and speaking in favor of peace and optimism, much like we hear often today in America. Somehow if any speaker if not nice and optimistic, they are immediately a BURDEN.


NOTE: We are not hearing “the burden of the LORD” from Israel today, they remember, nor do we hear it from bad and destructive pastors and prophets today even when they speak of Israel they tend to forget the “everlasting reproach”; however you do hear the same kind of peace and optimism without any “reproof, reproach, and correction” in their messages, just like Joel. Of course, it is impossible to reprove and reproach in preacher with a record setting marathon of smiles.
8. Pastors and Prophets that give visions out of their own heart in Jeremiah 23.
(1). Jeremiah 23:16–
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

(2) What is the message God wanted the people to hear, that He gave word for word for Jeremiah to preach daily at the temple which they failed to heed; and the same message America needs to hear today. {the famous temple message of Jeremiah 7}


NOTE: Please go to the following links for the Temple Message America should be hearing today from good and healing Pastors and Prophets. Are you hearing any of it, the words are straight from God Himself.

1. The Temple Message of Jeremiah 7 at

2. Peace, Pastors, Prophets, Priests, and People

3. Arkansas Flood and Gulf Oil Spill: Types of Calamities

4. Truth in the Bible and the Bible on Truth – sungrist.org

5. 7 year Index – sungrist.org {For perspective this is now the 11th year of SunGrist on line with an emphasis on Jeremiah}

6. A free outline of the book of Jeremiah.